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Go figure the UN wants to take the fun out of things now

Postby Rick » 13 May 2014, 15:34

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/u-n-weighing-laws-for-killer-robots-of-the-future-85624562444.html


U.N. Weighing Laws for ‘Killer Robots’ of the Future



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May 13, 2014
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U.N. Weighing Laws for ‘Killer Robots’ of the Future

Armies of Terminator-like warriors fan out across the battlefield, destroying everything in their path, as swarms of fellow robots rain fire from the skies.

That dark vision could all too easily shift from science fiction to fact, some warn, with disastrous consequences for the human race, unless such weapons are banned before they leap from the drawing board to the arsenal.

On Tuesday, governments began the first-ever talks exclusively on so-called “lethal autonomous weapons systems” — though opponents prefer the label “killer robots.”

“I urge delegates to take bold action,” said Michael Møller, head of the U.N.’s Conference on Disarmament.

“All too often international law only responds to atrocities and suffering once it has happened. You have the opportunity to take preemptive action and ensure that the ultimate decision to end life remains firmly under human control,” he said.

That was echoed by the International Committee of the Red Cross, guardian of the Geneva Conventions on warfare.

“The central issue is the potential absence of human control over the critical functions of identifying and attacking targets, including human targets,” said Kathleen Lawand, head of the ICRC’s arms unit.

“There is a sense of deep discomfort with the idea of allowing machines to make life-and-death decisions on the battlefield with little or no human involvement,” she added.

The four-day meeting in Geneva aims to chart the path toward more in-depth talks in November.

“Killer robots would threaten the most fundamental of rights and principles in international law,” Steve Goose, arms division director at Human Rights Watch, told reporters.

“The only answer is a preemptive ban,” he added.

U.N.-brokered talks have yielded such bans before: Blinding laser weapons were forbidden by international law in 1998, before they were ever deployed on the battlefield.

Automated weapons are already deployed around the globe.

The best known are drones, unmanned aircraft whose human controllers push the trigger from a far-distant base. Controversy rages, especially over the civilian collateral damage caused when the United States strikes alleged Islamist militants.

Perhaps closest to the Terminator-type killing machine portrayed in Arnold Schwarzenegger’s action films is a Samsung sentry robot used in South Korea, with the ability to spot unusual activity, talk to intruders, and, when authorized by a human controller, shoot them.

Other countries at the cutting edge include Britain, Israel, China, Russia, and Taiwan.

But it’s the next step, the power to kill without a human handler, that rattles opponents the most.

Experts predict that military research could produce such killers within 20 years.

“Lethal autonomous weapons systems are rightly described as the next revolution in military technology, on par with the introduction of gunpowder and nuclear weapons,” Pakistan’s U.N. ambassador Zamir Akram told the meeting.

“In the absence of any human intervention, such weapons in fact fundamentally change the nature of war,” he said, warning that they could undermine global peace and security.

The goal, diplomats said, is not to ban the technology outright.

“We need to keep in mind that these are dual technologies and could have numerous civilian, peaceful, and legitimate uses. This must not be about restricting research in this field,” said French ambassador Jean-Hugues Simon-Michel, chairman of the talks.

Robotics research is also being deployed for firefighting and bomb disposal, for example.

Campaigner Noel Sharkey, emeritus professor of robotics and artificial intelligence at Britain’s University of Sheffield, underlined that autonomy is not the problem in itself.

“I have a robot vacuum cleaner at home; it’s fully autonomous and I do not want it stopped. There is just one thing that we don’t want, and that’s what we call the kill function,” he said.

Supporters of robot weapons say they offer life-saving potential in warfare, being able to get closer than troops to assess a threat properly, without letting emotion cloud their decision making.

But that is precisely what worries their critics.

“If we don’t inject a moral and ethical discussion into this, we won’t control warfare,” said Jody Williams, who received the 1997 Nobel Peace Prize for her campaign for a landmine ban treaty.
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Re: Go figure the UN wants to take the fun out of things now

Postby bvandewalker » 13 May 2014, 15:59

Quit honestly, those robot are going to be built with or without the ban treaty. A program that makes its own choses is a holy grail of programing, what they really need is treaty that makes it illegal to program such robots with out a moral code.
so that the legally made drones would have heart in away, like a robot that kills only young adult males holding firearms but leaves unarmed women and children alone, or a machine that only fires in self defense after being shot at.

quit frankly we will need armed robots to battle the doctor Wilys that are going to show up with their own evil robot armies.
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Re: Go figure the UN wants to take the fun out of things now

Postby mrinku » 13 May 2014, 17:04

I dispute that the only way to counter a killer robot is with other killer robots. One way to counter a weapons system is with a cheaper but still effective option (rocket propelled grenades vs AFVs spring to mind) or to otherwise make them cost prohibitive to use. Now, that MAY end up being a cheaper killer robot or some kind of drone, but these are never going to be cheap toys.
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Re: Go figure the UN wants to take the fun out of things now

Postby bvandewalker » 13 May 2014, 21:17

Will I guess you have never heard of the anti missal targeting systems :P . plus all it takes is one rogue AI and a factory or two.

Also you can build your own killer drones at home and the most expansive thing would probably be the gun. so probably $1000 at most, but I think one could do it with just $500 and you can always make your own guns and parts with 3D printers, all you need then are bullets. There are just to many flaws in outlawing or putting limitations on it.
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Re: Go figure the UN wants to take the fun out of things now

Postby Darq » 13 May 2014, 21:27

Lol who cares about what the UN wants?
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Re: Go figure the UN wants to take the fun out of things now

Postby mrinku » 14 May 2014, 17:15

If you just want indescriminate killing rampage bots, I can see the home grown version working. Up until the ammo runs out.

But I suspect a pipe bomb would be cheaper and more efficient. Or a toy store drone with a block of C4 attached to it.

Something with the capacity to autonomously find and discriminate between targets? Very expensive.

And I never said all weapons have a cheaper counter, just that if a simpler, cheaper counter exists, it puts into question the value of the complicated and expensive system.
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Re: Go figure the UN wants to take the fun out of things now

Postby Lord_Bryon » 15 May 2014, 14:44

mrinku wrote:And I never said all weapons have a cheaper counter, just that if a simpler, cheaper counter exists, it puts into question the value of the complicated and expensive system.


Which is exactly why I exist, I represent the cheaper less complicated version and I’m damn proud of it.
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