Evoker wrote:Id like to get off of metal counter parts for 15mm. Like Bvandewalker said, we all know there are 15mm metal romans. To expand on that, there is metal for pretty much every period. My point for this whole thread is to get past metal and go into plastic. I don't know where everyone else comes from and goes for gaming, or scale preference, but my argument for 15mm is I believe its the smallest scale that holds the highest level of detail. With 10mm you can field more on the table than 15mm, but the quality of the sculps goes down and the models become harder to see the smaller they get. 15's are small enough to be able to field a large army, but they are detailed enough that they don't have mush face syndrome. I would just like to see the plastic treatment for this scale. Specifically for historical, pre Napoleonic. May they be ancients, dark age, medieval, Renaissance, which ever, I just want to see the guys like me who are into 15mm be able to get their hands on plastics. I originally went with crusaders and saracens because I figured it would be a popular thing. I'm sure ancients would be more popular but early crusades would be a nice change of pace from ancients. Some of the stuff that 19th century miniatures (old glory 15's) has, like the swabian infantry "mind you those swords are pretty much like noodles", aren't the best looking models in my book. They work, but a more modern product would be nice.
Back on topic, I have heard that the arguments against 6mm detail are actually not true and the man in question had the painted mini pics to prove it. that said most of us do not have the god like painting skills to pull that off.
If you really want crusaders era troops, it would still probably be smartest to go with a set up like the one I suggested earlier: light on the armored troops, heavy on the unarmored (basically 1 to 2 nobels/knights, 5 to 10 men at arms, lots of pilgrims/peasants/unarmored troops per sprue) for both the crusaders and Saracens sets. the reasons for this are:
A. in real history, that is general setup of most armies from the dark ages (if not earlier) until Fredrick the great shows up (basically).
B. you don't really need two factions per box since most people will want to focus one faction or the other for their army projects.
C. A good number of people will buy more than one box with this setup (this is the most important point from a manufacturing view).
D. if they sell, other factions like the Byzantines, Russians, Africans, Spaniards and Persians can be done in the same or similar fashion (maybe even a few lost in the mists of time fantasy factions like orcs). The only factions that it might not work for are the mongols and more knightly order focused factions, for those the cavalry will take up most of the sprue: Five heavy Armor cavalry troops, ten additional cavalry troops (mounted foot Sargents for the orders, mounted archers for the mongols), the rest of the sprue (if there is room) should be infantry (foot knights and men at arms for the orders, levy troops for mongols).